we created jobs in kansas city, and it's creating in the range of 16,000 jobs in south africa when they built that. we're on a commercial basis. we care about american jobs, but we're creating a lot of good jobs and a lot of good will in country after country around the world. >> gavin: mr. chairman, thank you for coming on the show. >> thanks a lot. >> gavin: you would think it's obvious. of course we have to export products and grow markets around the world to participate in the global economy. fled fred's mission is to finance small business and help them grow. it has to be the core of our economic policy. in nicholas kristof's view of the world it's inspiring. he notes we're making progress despite gloomy headlines from everything in violent conflicts and climate change. yet there is so much work that needs to be done. we need moil makers and business owners to work together in public and private sectors and we need to see what works and what doesn't. i endorsed a california ballot initiative that could close $1 billion tax loophole in our state. if passed in november, the californi